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Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: Tuilinde » Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:39 pm

This is a dual text with the English being a literal word-for-word translation. A freer English version can be found in the English section.
The verse form is called a Rondeau Rédoublé, a French verse form. See if you can work out its rules! In the first poem I managed to keep the rhyme scheme, but have had to be a little more flexible in the others.
Petri tells me that it is considered as "cheating" in Finnish to make the rhymes from suffixes. Sorry Petri!

Since the Forum really doesn't like having too much to do in one post, I'm putting each poem in separately. I hope that makes sense!


This song cycle was written through the ages by Elven lords of the Exile.



Nó hurur nér hlussainë hlaremmassen :
Nó ily' alassë vánë endammallon :
Nó lindi nér *quorainë niemmassen :
Nó i mornië túlë lattamorillon -

Before



Lamanyë terë rondo coammallon
Laitalë Eldamaro lindimmassen :
Anwa quettar Valaron carpamallon
Nó hurur nér hlussainë hlaremmassen ::

.

I sérë Lórieno fëammassen,
Tá alcar síler lassi Aldammallo;
Teleri meldë lirner hrestammassen,
Nó ily' alassë váner endammallon ::



I vanië lindalëo nyellemmallon,
Ehteli sirner ninquë ostommassen,
Nandelë hlassemmë tarwammallon,
Nó lindi nér *quorainë niemmassen ::



Silmarillion síler míremmassen
Cal' *ainana samneltë v'aldammallon,
Unemmë samë thossë óremmassen
Nó i mornië túlë lattamorillon -
. . . . . . . . . Nó hurur nér hlussainë ::



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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: Tuilinde » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:51 pm

Apa

Apa Teleri Númessë nér nehtainar;
Apa lahtanemmë i Helcë annaira;
Ap' aranier haranyemmë nér nancarnar;
Apa hannemmë teldavë carda sára -

After



Sannemmë farnë Hrestar Sinë tenya;
Quentemmë liyúmemmar nér tulcainar,
Nattiral' ambar martaina ve oira,
Apa Teleri Númessë nér nehtainar ::



Tulcien aranier, Tirion né hehtaina;
Accarien hrúcarë Melkoro annaica
Ríeryallo Silmarilli nauvar mapainar,
Apa lahtanemmë i Helcë annaira ::



Anant' ambar hilanyë; nossi nér nehtainar;
Haldë ostor yar carnemmë sí unë nár,
Nyerenen hannemmë anelte ammelainar,
Ap' aranier haranyemmë nér nancarnar ::



Númello Valar mentaner hossi taurë;
Levanemmë, pan nóremmar nér lantainar,
Si marimmë, lá lender ve arcaneltë,
Apa hannemmë teldavë carda sára -
. . . . . . . .Apa nossimmar nér nehtainar ::

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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: Tuilinde » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:57 am



Sí Lumbë naira luvu' oll' arda sina;
Sí séremma *nimpë hestëa ata nëa;
Sí mauya mapa macili mannarennammar;
Sí i cilmë – lelya, hya lemya – túlëa -

Now



As Corma Isilduro caurë cuivëa;
Lúnaturco Saurono ná tulcaina ::
Vanwiello ulco alapoica tenëa
Sí Lumbë naira luvu' oll' arda sina ::



Hróatani mahtien yoþanga utúlier
Írinqua, melehtë ar túrë mapëar ::
Térë linnóri sí Caurë alálië,
Sí séremma *nimpë hestëa ata nëa ::



Ñandaro lalirë lindë lindelëa;
Nyares nyarna yalúmëa ohtaro ::
Síra arnessë seldor mahtien párar,
Sí mauya mapa macili mannarennammar ::



Endar nainala quérar inte Númenna,
Sámammar Eldamar yalúmeo enyalar;
Panommar nár sicil maica aicasse,
Sí i cilmë – lelya, hya lemya – túlëa -
. . . . . . . . . . .Sí Lumbë luvua.



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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: órerámar » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:27 pm

Hi Tuilinde,
I like your Rondeau redoublé and I must say it feels a bit less lonely when I read your fixed form poems, because in the poets association where I take part, I seem to be the only one to enjoy playing with rhymes and forms. They are all into free verse. So let's continue the ode less travelled!


Nó furur nér hlussainë hlasemmassen :
Nó ily' alassë váner endammallon :
Nó lindi nér *quorainë niemmassen :
Nó i mornië túlë lattamorillon -

First I would like to ask to whom does the 1st pl. pronoun refer to? In the latest conception of pronouns -mme is a dual form. So I am not sure what your intention is here.

furu : would probably become huru (VT41:8 - as in fuine = huine)
hlasemassen : the stem of hlas is hlar as attested in the dual hlaru (PE17:62).
váner : alasse being singular = váne


Lamyaina terë rondo coammallon
Laitalë Eldamaro lindimmassen :
Anwa quettar Valaron carpamallon
Nó furur nér hlussainë hlasemmassen ::

lamyaina : the verb is connected with "laitale" (praise sounded through), so this should be in the past tense. In my opinion this is not a participle, it just looks like that because you turned the sentence.

I sérë Lórieno fëammassen,
Tá alcar síler lassi Aldammallo;
Teleri meldë lirner hrestammassen,
Nó ily' alassë váner endammallon ::

I am not sure to understand the second line, could you please explain?


Silmarillion síler míremmassen
Cal' ainaina samner v'aldammallon,
Unemmë samë thossë óremmassen
Nó i mornië túlë lattamorillon -
. . . . . . . . . Nó furur nér hlussainë ::

ainaina : maybe aina- would forme a participle in ainana - like aista- = aistana to avoid the repetition of "ai"
samner : should this not take the pronoun "they" - samnelte
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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: Tuilinde » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:12 pm

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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: Tuilinde » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:50 pm

Teldavë!

Teldavë ulco avánië; nás nancarna!
Teldavë ná turúna Cotumomma!
Teldavë túrë Atanion cenammë!
Teldavë lelyuvammë Númenna!



Ilya arda carpëa Periandion,
Nyarnalta túrëo urda síra liraina
Mótalta tyeleltë, Endórë lerien
Teldavë ulco avánië; nás nancarna!



Á lasta – Lier lérë túler mahtien v'er;
Leryanemmë yalúmëo teviemmar,
Astar yo estelnen elmë turúner ::
Teldavë ná turúna Cotumomma!



Aran Elessar – sí lier ilyar laitëar-
Turmen envinyatëa. Namaryar cenammë ::
Lossi Aldassë calimavë ninquitëar!
Teldavë túrë Atanion cenammë!



*Oravë Valion ná lavina ilyaquenna
I Valinorello ambë sercessë nëa ::
Ciryar Sindë ciryuvar Eldamarenna -
Teldavë lelyuvammë Númenna!
Teldavë ulco avánië!

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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

PostAuthor: órerámar » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:20 pm

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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

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Re: Nó, Apa, Sí, Teldavë / Before, After, Now, At Last

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