findegil wrote:[quote="órerámar]I cannot see what difference the pronoun "you" or "them" would make here. [/quote]
The distinction inclusive/exclusive turns on exactly that difference. "[T]he inclusive we : 'thou and I' (and possibly others associated with either party)";"the exclusive we: that did not refer to the person addressed" (Tolkien as quoted by Gilson in PE 17:14)[/quote]
In your previous message your argument referred to the objective pronoun and the pesent reply concerns the subjective pronoun. I think we should not mix both. I replied to your "you" and "them" as an objective.
The passage in PE17:14 deals with the subjective and the possessive. The problem of the meeting Tolkien was dissatisfied with concerns the fact of two groups being part of this meeting that could obviously not exclude part of it.