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Siniath - Sinyar

PostAuthor: órerámar » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:20 pm

We do not really need a translation, the word is already more or less there. Siniath is found in the Etymologies (LR:385) under the stem SI-which has the basic meaning of "this, here, now" and gives in Q "sí, sin = now; sinya = new N sein (pl. sîn) new; siniath news, tidings; sinnarn novel tale.

So we could have Sinyar for News.

On the other hand, Vinyar for News (see Vinyar Tengwar = News Letters) is in use since 1988 (although it appears from the first issues of VT, that the name did not make the unanimity). I must say I fail to understand why they used vinya and not sinya, since a word on this base existed in N. Maybe simply because vinya was more frequently attested (see the compounds with vinya).

As the different gloses of vinya show, its meaning has a connotation of "young, fresh" like in many Indo-European Languages.*

Sinya "new" has more the meaning of actuality, as its stem SI- now indicates. In Indo-European Languages we find the same relationship. Now is also connected to new.*

For "News" Sinyar seems to me more fitting than Vinyar. (Especially in our fast living time, were the "freshness" of the news lasts hardly a day. - I know, jokes are not a good justification.)

*Carl Darling Buck "A dictionary of selected synonyms in the principal Indo-European languages" /Semantic fields 14.13 new and 14.18 now.
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Re: Siniath - Sinyar

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Re: Siniath - Sinyar

PostAuthor: órerámar » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:45 pm

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Re: Siniath - Sinyar

PostAuthor: Eryniel » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:40 pm

If you will forgive a total newbie for trying ....

I was fiddling with Helges wordlist yesterday and I happend to look at the forum roundabout the same time, so just for fun I looked up some words and came up with Vinquenta.

I might be completely off, but Vin - (from vinya (1) adj. "young" (VT46:22, VT47:26, PE17:191) or "new", see Vincarma - new-made) and quenta (tale, account) might form this compound.

Now I have no idea if it would be at all usable, but I had fun looking it up ;-)
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Re: Siniath - Sinyar

PostAuthor: Eryniel » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:56 pm

May I - even if I cannot contribute to the topic - say that the Quenya part of the Headline of this board is still empty? I would love to see what you guys come up with to actually use :)
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Re: Siniath - Sinyar

PostAuthor: Aran » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:46 pm

The interesting part about siniath is that it actually seems to be a class plural. Quenya has no class plural, but maybe one could use a collective suffix instead of an ordinary plural, e.g. *sinyasse, *sinie (as in karpasse, olassie).
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